Markets Live: Stocks nosedive – Sydney Morning Herald

by admin on August 7, 2013

‘; var fr = document.getElementById(adID); setHash(fr, hash); fr.body = body; var doc = getFrameDocument(fr); doc.open(); doc.write(body); setTimeout(function() {closeDoc(getFrameDocument(document.getElementById(adID)))}, 2000); } function renderJIFAdWithInterim(holderID, adID, srcUrl, width, height, hash, bodyAttributes) { setHash(document.getElementById(holderID), hash); document.dcdAdsR.push(adID); document.write(”); } function renderIJAd(holderID, adID, srcUrl, hash) { document.dcdAdsAA.push(holderID); setHash(document.getElementById(holderID), hash); document.write(” + ‘ript>’); } function renderJAd(holderID, adID, srcUrl, hash) { document.dcdAdsAA.push(holderID); setHash(document.getElementById(holderID), hash); document.dcdAdsH.push(holderID); document.dcdAdsI.push(adID); document.dcdAdsU.push(srcUrl); } function er_showAd() { var regex = new RegExp(“externalReferrer=(.*?)(; |&|$)”, “gi”); var value = regex.exec(document.cookie); if (value && value.length == 3) { var externalReferrer = value[1]; return (!FD.isInternalReferrer() || ((externalReferrer) && (externalReferrer > 0))); } return false; } function isHome() { var loc = “” + window.location; loc = loc.replace(“//”, “”); var tokens = loc.split(“/”); if (tokens.length == 1) { return true; } else if (tokens.length == 2) { if (tokens[1].trim().length == 0) { return true; } } return false; } function checkAds(checkStrings) { var cs = checkStrings.split(“,”); for (var i=0;i 0 && cAd.innerHTML.indexOf(c)>0) { document.dcdAdsAI.push(cAd.hash); cAd.style.display =’none’; } } } if (!ie) { for (var i=0;i 0 && doc.body.innerHTML.indexOf(c)>0) { document.dcdAdsAI.push(fr.hash); fr.style.display =’none’; } } } } } if (document.dcdAdsAI.length > 0 || document.dcdAdsAG.length > 0) { var pingServerParams = “i=”; var sep = “”; for (var i=0;i 0) { var pingServerUrl = “/action/pingServerAction?” + document.pingServerAdParams; var xmlHttp = null; try { xmlHttp = new XMLHttpRequest(); } catch(e) { try { xmlHttp = new ActiveXObject(“Microsoft.XMLHttp”); } catch(e) { xmlHttp = null; } } if (xmlHttp != null) { xmlHttp.open( “GET”, pingServerUrl, true); xmlHttp.send( null ); } } } function initAds(log) { for (var i=0;i 0) { doc.removeChild(doc.childNodes[0]); } doc.open(); var newBody = fr.body; if (getCurrentOrd(newBody) != “” ) { newBody = newBody.replace(“;ord=”+getCurrentOrd(newBody), “;ord=” + Math.floor(100000000*Math.random())); } else { newBody = newBody.replace(“;ord=”, “;ord=” + Math.floor(100000000*Math.random())); } doc.write(newBody); document.dcdsAdsToClose.push(fr.id); } } else { var newSrc = fr.src; if (getCurrentOrd(newSrc) != “” ) { newSrc = newSrc.replace(“;ord=”+getCurrentOrd(newSrc), “;ord=” + Math.floor(100000000*Math.random())); } else { newSrc = newSrc.replace(“;ord=”, “;ord=” + Math.floor(100000000*Math.random())); } fr.src = newSrc; } } } if (document.dcdsAdsToClose.length > 0) { setTimeout(function() {closeOpenDocuments(document.dcdsAdsToClose)}, 500); } } }; var ie = isIE(); if(ie && typeof String.prototype.trim !== ‘function’) { String.prototype.trim = function() { return this.replace(/^\s+|\s+$/g, ”); }; } document.dcdAdsH = new Array(); document.dcdAdsI = new Array(); document.dcdAdsU = new Array(); document.dcdAdsR = new Array(); document.dcdAdsEH = new Array(); document.dcdAdsE = new Array(); document.dcdAdsEC = new Array(); document.dcdAdsAA = new Array(); document.dcdAdsAI = new Array(); document.dcdAdsAG = new Array(); document.dcdAdsToClose = new Array(); document.igCount = 0; document.tCount = 0; var dcOrd = Math.floor(100000000*Math.random()); document.dcAdsCParams = “”; var savValue = getAdCookie(“sav”); if (savValue != null && savValue.length > 2) { document.dcAdsCParams = savValue + “;”; }

Business







Date


August 7, 2013 – 4:22PM

Australian stocks close sharply lower on fears the US will cut stimulus soon, with miners and banks leading the way down.






















5:05pm: That’s all from here at Markets Live – thanks for being with us.

Click here for a full wrap of the day’s session













4:45pm:Sundance Resources expects to sign up customers by the end of the year as it pins its hopes on producing iron ore in west Africa by 2017.

The Perth-based company believes it has turned the corner after shareholders had their investments halved in April following the collapse of a $1.3 billion takeover deal with China’s Hanlong Mining.

Legal action against the company over a 2010 plane crash in west Africa which killed the company’s entire board of directors has also occupied management, with the latest claim coming from the family of an investment banker seeking more than $10 million over his death.

Sundance directors believe the company is not liable for the deaths as it pushes ahead with its 35 million tonne Mbalam-Nabeba iron ore project which has the support of the local governments of Cameroon and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Chairman George Jones said 95 per cent of the company’s shares had changed hands since the Hanlong deal fell over.

‘‘The damage has already been done,’’ Mr Jones told the Diggers and Dealers mining conference today.

Sundance shares finished down 1.3 per cent at 7.9 cents.


















4:27pm: Here are the best and worst performers on the ASX200 today:



<p></p>













4:18pm: All the major sectors finished down at least 1 per cent:

  • Consumer discretionary: -1.7%
  • Consumer staples: -1.1%
  • Financials: -1.8%
  • Materials: -2.5%
  • Property trusts: -1.1%
  • Telecommunications: -1.2%










4:13pm: The market has closed sharply lower, with the benchmark S&P/ASX200 finishing down 94.3 points, or 1.8 per cent, to 5011.3. The broader All Ords fell 91.4 points, or 1.8 per cent, to 4996.6.













4:03pm:ING, the biggest Dutch financial-services company, said second-quarter profit fell more than analysts estimated after a loss at its Asian insurance unit.

Net income fell to 788 million euros ($1.17 billion), from 1.29 billion euros a year earlier, the Amsterdam-based company said in an e-mailed statement today. That missed the 907 million-euro average estimate of nine analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. ING’s Asian insurance and investment management unit, which includes Japan, reported a loss of 98 million euros compared with a profit of 111 million euros a year earlier.

ING Groep is nearing the end of a European Union-imposed restructuring that requires shrinking the balance sheet by 45 per cent, including disposing of global insurance operations. ING has completed about 70 per cent of the plan after selling a stake in its US insurer to the public in May, according to chief executive Jan Hommen. It is reducing costs by 1 billion euros by 2015, resulting in 7,450 job cuts and additional cost savings are being looked at, ING said in a presentation today.

Profit excluding divestments and one-time items fell to 942 million euros in the second quarter.












3:47pm: Explosives and mining chemicals supplier Orica will start this month cleaning up a former manufacturing site that is contaminated with mercury.

The clean-up of the old ChlorAlkali plant site within the Botany Industrial Park (BIP) in southern Sydney is expected to take two years.

‘‘While current testing indicates there are presently no unacceptable human health or environmental risks posed by the mercury contamination at the BIP, Orica understands this is an important issue for the community, and is committed to the remediation works,’’ Orica said in a statement today.

The remediation work will include excavation of contaminated soil, and the construction of a vapour cap and barrier walls.

Orica shares are down 2.6 per cent to $18.65.













3:37pm:Fortescue said it was ‘‘disappointed’’ by the High Court ruling on the mining tax, pointing out that the ‘‘very low’’ revenue collected by the tax vindicated its opposition to the tax.

“Fortescue challenged the MRRT because it was an unreasonable intrusion into an area of state responsibility and that it was also an unfair, discriminatory and complex tax. We’re disappointed by today’s decision,” the Fortescue managing director Mr Nev Power said.

Fortescue said the tax was ‘‘ill-conceived’’, saying it was ‘‘an unfair and administratively burdensome and inefficient tax’’.

The company has incurred up to $5 million of costs resulting from the tax, with the mining sector already paying a high level of tax since along with company tax, it also pays royalties to state governments.

“Fortescue expects to pay $1.5 billion in company tax and royalties this financial year rising to $2 billion in the years ahead,” Mr Power said.













3:23pm: Shares have dived, led by losses in mining and banking stocks. The benchmark S&P/ASX200 is down 85.8 points, or 1.7 per cent, to 5019.8. The broader All Ords is down 83.4 points, or 1.6 per cent, to 5004.6.













3:12pm:Gold has extended losses into a third session, falling to a three-week low after strong US trade data and comments by a Federal Reserve official stoked fears the central bank could start tapering its stimulus from next month. 

Bullion has lost nearly a quarter of its value this year after 12 annual gains as markets anticipate a reduction in the Fed’s $US85 billion monthly bond purchases. The commodities-friendly stimulus had pushed prices to all-time highs in 2011.

Spot gold had dropped 0.3 percent to $US1,277.61 an ounce in early trade, after losing over 1.5 per cent yesterday.













2:49pm:Alacer Gold said it expects to receive bids within a month to sell two gold mines, in a sign that merger activity in the sector may be starting to stir after a slump in bullion prices.

Gold miners in Australia have been hammered by asset writedowns, as they grapple with high costs and a financing drought that has left many smaller operators scrambling for cash, prompting speculation of an asset swoop by Chinese buyers.

“Certainly some (potential buyers) are Asian-backed operators that already have an Australasian base,” Alacer Chief Executive David Quinlivan said, declining to name the interested parties when asked about how the sale was progressing.

Alacer is selling its Higginsville and South Kalgoorlie mines, which together produced 176,000 ounces in 2012/13, in order to focus on lower-cost mines it is developing in Turkey.

“We are expecting indicative bids soon,” added Quinlivan, speaking on the sidelines of the Diggers and Dealers conference.

He said he had a put a one-month deadline on offers.

A group of seven one-time Australian favourites including Alacer Gold, OceanaGold and Silver Lake Resources And Evolution Mining have clocked up $2.5 billion in writedowns this year.













2:37pm:Are high-yielding stocks overvalued amid what could again be the chase (stampede?) for yield as the cash rate falls?

Analysts have noted that the soaring prices of yield stocks may not always be backed by earnings growth, and that these stocks are more vulnerable to sell-offs if market and economic conditions change.

Credit Suisse analyst Damien Boey says it is important for investors to note that as they weigh up yield, they also need to weigh up the quality and sustainability of that yield.

“Not all yield is going to be defensive, like putting your cash in the bank. As we look at the yield landscape in Australia, the ultimate candidates will be Telstra, the banks, some property trusts and maybe a few consumer staples or utilities companies.

“But the issue here will be – should the economy slow down, should GDP growth go down to 1 or 0 per cent, will these companies be able to sustain the yield that they are currently offering?”

Mr Boey says that ultimately, investors have to get used to a lower-return environment.

“So you cut the risk-free rates and people search out the riskier end of the spectrum for a little while until the riskier end starts to blow up, and then you are in a permanently lower return environment.

“I think what investors should actually be looking for here is quality and defensiveness. You will pay a premium for those sorts of stocks in the short-term, but we are in a lower-return environment now. On top of that, at some point in time, the whole Asia story will unravel very quickly and we’re going to see some bargains in that space.”













2:23pm:Global demand for resources will soar by up to 75 per cent over the next 15 years, but Australia is facing fiercer competition from rival nations, the head of BHP Billiton says.

In his first public speech in Australia since becoming chief executive in May, Andrew Mackenzie was positive about the industry’s prospects, in contrast to comments from Prime Minister Kevin Rudd that the good times and China’s strong growth were over.

Australia was one of only a handful of countries that could deliver the volumes of resources Asia requires for its economic growth, Mr Mackenzie told a business lunch.

But the country’s productivity and competitiveness are not strong enough if it wants to be one of those to deliver those resources, he said.

While acknowledging miners have to do their bit, Mr Mackenzie also called on governments to rise to the challenge.
‘‘We must all get sharper at productivity,’’ he said.












2:13pm: The developers of a hotel that forms a centrepiece of Darling Harbour’s proposed revamp have released a scaled-down concept after a community backlash.

Lend Lease had originally planned to build two towers of up to 34 storeys, catering for 900 rooms, but the plan was modified after concern it would block sunlight in the surrounding area.

One 38-storey, slightly slimmer tower will be built instead, the company’s group head of development David Hutton says.

‘‘We have created a more elegant and slimmer hotel design, which improves view-sharing with surrounding buildings and provides more public space and flexibility at the ground level,’’ he said in a statement.

The hotel, which will be subject to planning assessment, will undergo further community consultation.

It is set be built alongside the planned International Convention Centre – slated to be Australia’s largest – as part of an overhaul to the area, including the development of Haymarket.

The proposed development over a 20-hectare zone between Cockle Bay, Haymarket and Ultimo is expected to create 3700 construction jobs and a further 4000 positions.












2:00pm:Peter Martin and Politifact are on the cost of living case…and the results aren’t what you think.

Anyone would think our cost of living was spiraling out of control.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd used the phrase “cost of living” an extraordinary 14 times in his press conference Monday. On Tuesday, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott used it four times. Mr Abbott spoke of “cost of living pressures”, which would mean that not only was the cost of living “going up and up and up”(his words) but that it was going up faster than household income. Mr Rudd’s claim was universal. He said Australian families were “all struggling from cost of living pressures”.

Read more












1:52pm: The lopsided nature of Rupert Murdoch’s two media corporations was in the spotlight this morning, writes BusinessDay‘s Elizabeth Knight.

The cable, television and film operations, 21st Century Fox, pitched up a very strong result and left analysts to speculate further about what smaller sibling News Corp might deliver.

Meanwhile, Murdoch waded around the Twitter mud with the Australian Prime Minister, arguing about the damage the national broadband network would do to Foxtel – the most profitable asset in new News Corp.

Rudd v Murdoch – entertaining as it is – is a sideshow. The media mogul’s future is all about the performance of 21st Century Fox and it didn’t disappoint. (The market is far less confident – and far more divided – on what the international print and Australian business will produce.)

The rationale of the split was all about allowing the growth assets, housed in 21st Century Fox, some clean air without the anchor of the print divisions to divert management’s attention.

21st Century Fox has not operated as a stand-alone business long enough to see the fruits of its freedom but analysts are pleased with what they see so far. Strangely Murdoch did not front the call to the media and analysts as he typically does – perhaps keeping a slightly lower profile because new sensational speculation about his personal life written in USA Today was spreading virally.

Read more



Rupert Murdoch

Rupert Murdoch Photo: Bloomberg












1:32pm: Here’s a bit more on the falling cash rate and where investors are looking to put their money while attaining a decent rate of return.

While the cash rate has fallen by 225 basis points since October 2011, term deposit (such as the three-month and six-month term deposits pictured) rates haven’t fallen as quickly, as banks have sought to attract retail investors.



The cash rate and termn deposits.

The cash rate and termn deposits.













1:23pm: A decade after he blocked a takeover bid from an unwanted US group, Peter Gray who is the founder of Sirtex Medical, a cancer treatment company, appears to have sold the bulk of his stake in the company.

A block of 7.27 million Sirtex shares was sold at $12 a share late on Tuesday, a slight discount to the market price. Sirtex shares are currently down 2.1 per cent at $12.29.

The block of shares traded late on Tuesday is equal to 12.95 per cent of the company’s capital, and raised a gross amount of $87.24 million for Gray.

Gray has been involved in a lengthy dispute with the board of directors of Sirtex over the way the company has been managed, and he has been gradually selling down his holding over the past six months, taking advantage of an upswing in the Sirtex share price as it prepares for greater penetration of its cancer treatment in offshore markets.













1:14pm: Apparently Australian borrowers haven’t had it this good for over 50 years – but you wouldn’t know it from looking at the home loan data, CommSec chief economist Craig James notes:

  • While there has been an encouraging lift in new lending over 2013, the value of all new loans still is over 4 per cent below the highs set five years ago.
  • In short, borrowers remain cautious – especially first home buyers. Despite some of the most attractive buying conditions in years, the proportion of first home buyers in the market is still well down on the average levels recorded over the past 22 years.
  • The good news is that more people are taking out loans to build new homes rather than buying established properties. The revised grants from state governments are helping to lift construction, as is the low level of interest rates.
  • Once the election is out of the road, we would expect more people to seriously contemplate buying homes to either live in or as a form of investment.
  • Certainly interest rates are low enough, affordability has improved, the population is growing and rental markets are reasonably tight across the country.










1:08pm: We’ve taken a closer look at Bell Potter analyst Charlie Aitken’s thesis yesterday that investors should respond to low deposit and borrowing rates – brought about by the cash rate being cut to a historic low – by moving their money away from cash into a large capital equity like Telstra.

One of the factors that investors should take into account when making such a shift is bond yields, says UBS equities strategist David Cassidy.

  • Banks move with bond yields as much as short rates, and so I think the risk would be that if bond yields move in the opposite direction to cash rates. And I think the key for the bond market is not so much what is going with the domestic economy but what’s going on with the US economy.
  • US bond yields drive all bonds markets as the US equity market tends to drive all stock markets. So I think one trap potentially is if you get further rises in US bond yields, you’ll also see a back-up in Australian bond yields over time.
  • I would be cautious about getting too bullish on high-yielding stocks because of that bond yield risks.

At the longer end of the yield curve, US bond yields have risen amid speculation the US Federal Reserve is set to wind back its bond-buying program.

Investors have been cutting back on their exposure to US bonds amid rising yields. The Pimco Total Return fund, the world’s biggest bond fund, had a $US7.5 billion outflow in July, according to Morningstar. It was the second biggest monthly outflow for the fund, with the biggest outflow – a record $US9.6 million – in June.













1:03pm: The stock market still hasn’t bottomed, down 1.3 per cent now, as talk of the US Federal Reserve tapering its stimulus measures weighs on sentiment.

RBS Morgan private client adviser Bill Bishop says the latest Fed comments should not have taken the market by surprise:

  • They’re gently breaking us in, and it had to happen, quite frankly. They’re going to happen to do it sooner or later, and the market’s hooked on the drug (of stimulus), and they like it.
  • The market is reacting badly to it in a fit of self interest.
  • The market has been lukewarm and there hasn’t really been anything to change that, not even the federal election or the interest rate cut.

Maybe it’s just the correction we had to have after a pretty solid July and 10 days of consecutive gains (a run that ended on Friday). So far this week, the ASX200 has piled up a loss of roughly 1.5 per cent.












12:48pm: New Zealand’s finance minister said today the result of dairy giant Fonterra’s latest auction suggests it has suffered little impact from a recent scare over contaminated products.

Finance Minister Bill English told parliament the issue would need careful handling if the company and the country were to continue to benefit from high commodity prices.

“The indications are that, providing the issue of the potential contamination is handled effectively and transparently, the direct impact on the New Zealand economy can be contained,” English said in reply to a question.

In the latest auction of dairy goods by Fonterra overnight, the average price fell 2.4 per cent, but volumes rose strongly.













12:36pm:Traders see the RBA cutting rates by year-end, even after Governor Glenn Stevens signalled he’s willing to give record-low borrowing costs time to turn the economy around.

Traders see 76 per cent odds the RBA will follow yesterday’s decision to cut the overnight cash-rate target to 2.5 per cent by reducing it to 2.25 per cent or lower by December 3, swaps data compiled by Bloomberg show. The Aussie remains high, Stevens said yesterday, even after it dropped this year by the most among major currencies.

Stevens indicated future decisions will be data driven and said ‘‘further effects can be expected over time’’ from his 2.25 percentage points of rate cuts over the past two years. That signalled to investors including BlackRock the RBA may pause to evaluate the economy’s ability to cope with a peak in mining investment. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who called an election for September 7, may benefit politically from yesterday’s move in a nation where 90 per cent of mortgagees have variable-rate loans.

‘‘Having cut rates they’d like to sit back and give some time to observe the effects of this cut and probably the May one,’’ said Stephen Miller, a managing director at BlackRock.

‘‘It’s that transition from a growth led by mining investment to other parts of the economy that’s troubling them. If another two or three months went by and we weren’t to see any signs that transition was occuring, I think it’s likely that we might get another cut.’’













12:26pm:More on lower cash rates and increasing one’s investments in yield stocks.

Patersons Securities Tony Farnham says the income stocks story has been around since May/June last year, and would continue as long as the economy stays healthy.

So what happens if the economy weakens?

“What flows from a slowdown in the economy is increased bad debt expense, and that decreases banks’ profitability. So with lower profits, it makes it harder to maintain dividends at their current levels,” Mr Farnham said.

“For the major consumer staples [companies] – Woolies and Wesfarmers – the issue there again is the economy. If there is a slowdown in economic growth to sub 2 per cent, there would be more people unemployed and people’s expectations of income growth would not be as strong as they thought, and they would wind back their spending.

“With that, there’s less sales occurring in the major retailers and with that, it crimps their potential earnings growth.”












12:14pm: Here are the best and worst performers on the ASX200 so far today:



<p></p>













12:03pm: Election betting is a sham, a shabby pretext for free advertising in the media, writes BusinessDay‘s Michael West.

BusinessDay called around the betting shops this morning: Tom Waterhouse, Centrebet and Sportsbet.

None would offer a market on the federal election although all three, and TattsBet too (it was too early to put a bet on), advertised a market on their websites.

Tom Waterhouse is touting odds of $1.24 for a Coalition win and Labor is paying $4. Asked if they would take a $1 million bet, the Tom Waterhouse rep went off to see his manager.

No luck there. “It’s not something we concentrate on.” How about $10,000? “It might be a bit of a push … it’s a smaller novelty market.”

That’s for sure, if the market exists at all, other than to lure journalists into writing it up for free advertising in the press.

How much “novelty” money would Tom Waterhouse accept on the Coalition at $1.24? No clarity on that either.

Then there was Sportsbet. Sportsbet was not offering straight odds, only a 10.5-seat handicap.

Centrebet however, was touting $1.23 for the Coalition and had Labor priced at $4.25.

Would Centrebet accept $1 million at $1.23? Perhaps we should have disclosed here that, as a journalist, we didn’t have a lazy $1 million to plunge on Tony Abbott. But we could surely dig it up from a contact. Abbott and Rupert Murdoch are a good bet.

Read more












11:51am:China is sticking the boots into Fonterra. If banning the products of the world’s biggest milk processor wasn’t enough after a contamination scare, China’s top economic planning agency has fined the company $NZ900,000 ($792,217.31).

The agency issued the fine following a review of pricing practices for consumer dairy products in mainland China, which Fonterra said in a statement that it accepted.”We accept the NDRC’s (National Development and Reform Commission) findings and we believe the investigation leaves us with a much clearer understanding of expectations around implementing pricing policies, which is useful as we progress our future business plans,” Kelvin Wickham, president of Fonterra greater China and India, said.

Units in the Fonterra Shareholders Fund last traded up 1.1 per cent at NZ$7.03.













11:38am:The number of home loans approved in June rose 2.7 per cent, official figures show.

There were 51,001 approvals in the month, compared to 49,642 approvals in May.

Economists had expected the number of housing finance commitments to rise 2.0 per cent in June.

Total housing finance by value rose 1.2 per cent in June, seasonally adjusted, to $23.690 billion, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said today.













11:34am:Tokyo’s Nikkei shed 2.7 per cent to trade at one-week lows, with exporters such as Toyota losing ground on concerns the stronger yen would erode their dollar earnings when repatriated.

“Because trading volume is likely to be thin, the cash market will likely be swayed by futures trading. The market is keeping an eye on the yen’s level as that has been the cause of recent volatility,” said Yutaka Miura, a senior technical analyst at Mizuho Securities.

MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan lost 0.4 per cent, extending a 0.5 per cent decline yesterday to trade at their lowest since July 19.













11:26am:Milk futures tumbled the most in 33 months on concern that demand may fall after a contamination scare at Fonterra, the world’s largest dairy exporter.

Fonterra said at the weekend that a dirty pipe in one of its processing plants might have tainted whey protein with a bacteria that causes botulism, a paralytic illness. The announcement prompted recalls in China, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Thailand and New Zealand. Auckland-based Fonterra accounts for about a third of global trade in dairy products.

Milk futures for September delivery fell 3.8 per cent to close at $17.69 per 100 pounds on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the biggest drop for a most-active contract since November 2010.

“The botulism scare is the straw that broke the camel’s back for the dairy markets,” Shawn Hackett, the president of Hackett Financial Advisors said.

“When you have a big, quality supplier that is now in question, people wonder who they can trust. The initial reaction is to sell, and if you’re a buyer, you pull out of the market until you get clarity on how big the problem is and how long term it will be.”

Nevertheless, shares in Fonterra’s Australian export rival Warrnambool Cheese and Butter rose 2 per cent in early trade to $4.59.













11:15am:Senior Goldman Sachs executive James McMurdo will next year take charge of Deutsche Bank’s Australian operation overseeing the European investment bank’s franchise as equity markets are rebounding and deal making activity expected to pick up.

The move by London-based McMurdo represents a return to the Australian market, although it comes as Deutsche Bank is attempting to move to a more conservative global footing by paring back the size of its balance sheet.

Mr McMurdo has most recently been a partner at Goldman Sachs based in London running the Wall Street banks’ private equity group for Europe. He was previously co-head of investment banking for Goldman’s Australian business.

The move represents the latest shake-up among the ranks of top investment banks over the past year with Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s local boss Craig Drummond recently being named as National Australia’s Bank chief financial officer.













11:10am: As we push into the second hour of trade, shares are down heavily. The benchmark S&P/ASX200 is down 45.1 points, or 0.9 per cent, at 5060.5. The broader All Ords has fallen 43.3 points, or 0.9 per cent, to 5044.7.












11:05am:Billionaire financier George Soros’s private hedge fund is investing $US150 million ($167.68 million) in a Brazilian telecom firm to spur expansion of 4G high speed internet service in Brazil, the company says.

The Soros Fund Management has committed the money to On Telecom, a new, Sao Paulo-based company that earlier this year pioneered a 4G broadband internet network in Sao Paulo, Brazil’s most populous state and economic engine.

‘‘Our total investment plan is 500 million reais ($US217 million) over two to three years,’’ On Telecom chairman Zaki Rakib told a press conference.

Rakib and chief executive Fares Nassar own more than 50 per cent of the capital. But Rakib said that as the Soros fund disburses more of the money it committed, it could become the majority owner.

‘‘It’s only the beginning. Soros has confidence in us and in the growth of the Brazilian telecom market,’’ he said.

Brazil is already the world’s fourth largest IT and telecommunications market.













10:56am:Mr Forest’s Fortescue Metals argued the MRRT was invalid for a number of reasons, including the fact that it cut across State’s rights in the execution of their functions.

The challenge was dismissed unanimously by the full High Court.

‘‘The treatment of State mining royalties by the MRRT Act … did not discriminate between states and that the Acts did not give preference to one state over another,’’ the court ruled.












10:56am: During the trial, lawyers representing the Federal government refuted claims by Fortescue lawyers the mining tax was inhibited the states from developing their resources.

Mr Forrest’s lawyers had contended the Federal government had punished the states for reducing royalties for individual mining companies by imposing the MRRT, which is levied across the board.













10:44am:Three big-name bidders for Rio Tinto’s majority stake in Canada’s largest iron ore producer are now out of the running, sources familiar with the talks have told Reuters, after offers came in well below the mining group’s targets.

The sources said private equity firm Apollo, which had been working with Canadian pension fund CPPIB, rival Blackstone and commodity trader and miner Glencore were no longer in the race after a second round of bids last month.

The low offers, at a time when dozens of mining assets are for sale and demand for steelmaking commodities is uncertain, raise questions over the future of a sale that could still take months to tie up – should Rio decide to push ahead.

Rio has a handful of assets on the block as it battles to cut a $19 billion debt burden and meet cost cutting targets. Like other miners seeking to divest unwanted activities, however, it has found buyers unwilling to pay up and in June was forced to scrap the sale of its $1.3 billion diamond business, 15 months after it was first announced.

Rio shares are down 1.3 per cent at $59.10.













10:37am: The High Court has upheld Labor’s controversial Mineral Resources Rent Tax (MMRT), rejecting a challenge launched by miner Fortescue Metals Group.













10:35am:The RBA cutting the official cash rate to a record low is likely to bolster the sharemarket in the medium-term as investors pour money from term deposits into high-yielding equities, an analyst predicts.

The ASX is tipped to open lower this morning, following losses on Tuesday, and on Wall Street overnight. But Rivkin global analyst Tim Radford is tipping the initial bearish reaction to the interest rate cut will be temporary.

‘‘With real interest rates effectively falling to zero after yesterday’s 0.25 per cent cut, we should see risk seeking behaviour among local investors increase substantially, leading to high yielding Australian stocks such as Telstra and the big four banks becoming targets,’’ he said.

‘‘A low interest rate environment is bullish for Australian equities. So while the recent uptrend in the broader Australian market looks a bit overdone, the low-interest rate environment and the rotation from cash and fixed interest to equities should see stocks push to new multi-year highs.’’













10:20am:General Electric is permanently scrapping plans to build the largest solar factory in the US near Denver.

GE blamed the cancellation on a glut of solar panels on the market and falling prices, The Denver Post reported overnight.

The factory was to have been bigger than 11 football fields and have an annual capacity of 400 megawatts. State officials said it would create 350 jobs.

GE put the project on hold last month.

A research centre that developed the thin-film solar-cell technology for the plant will be closed, with 50 people losing their jobs, according to Lindsay Thiel, a GE spokeswoman. The research centre, formerly a startup named PrimeStar, was in Arvada, another Denver suburb.



















10:11am: The market has opened lower, the benchmark S&P/ASX200 falling 29.5 points, or 0.5 per cent, to 5076.1. The broader All Ords is down 28.3 points, or 0.6 per cent, to 5059.7.













10:02am: And here’s the other earnings result we were expecting today, from FlexiGroup. The financial services group has posted a net profit after tax of $72.1 million, up 18 per cent from the previous corresponding year.

The firm declared a fully franked final dividend of 7.5 cents per share.

“With full-year [net profit after tax] growth accelerating relative to the [first-half 2013 financial year] growth rate, this is a strong result across the business,” FlexiGroup managing director and chief executive Tarek Robbiati said.













9:53am: Here’s a bit more on the newly separated 21st Century Fox inaugural quarterly figures. The entertainment company reported higher revenue and profit because of growth at its cable operations and film studio.

Fox’s stable of cable networks including the Fox News Channel, FX Networks and National Geographic channels, said quarterly operating income before depreciation and amortization (OIBDA) soared 25 per cent to $US1.8 billion ($2 billion) on higher affiliate fees and advertising revenue.

Fox executives said the company’s cable networks account for two-thirds of total earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA).

Fox is growing its cable franchise and plans to invest $US200 million next year. It is launching new channels including Fox Sports 1 this month, a competitor to Walt Disney Co’s ESPN, and a new channel FXX aimed at young adults.

At its movie studio 20th Century Fox, OIBDA fell to $US117 million from $US140 million on lower contributions from its TV production studios that offset revenues from the new season of Netflix’s Arrested Development.

Its broadcast TV station Fox is still dogged by lower ratings for its show American Idol that dragged down advertising revenue 7 per cent and segment OIBDA to $US213 million from $US235 million. Total revenue rose 16 per cent to $US7.2 billion for the quarter ending June, compared with the same quarter last year, the company said this morning.

Net income was $US977 million, or 42 cents per share, from $US596 million, or 25 cents per share, in the same quarter last year.

Read the full story here.













9:45am: In economic news today, there’ll be data released on the AiG Performance of Construction Index, home loans, investment lending and owner-occupied home loan values for June.

In company news, there’s the inaugural quarterly report for 21st Century Fox, and FlexiGroup full-year results.













9:41am: Here’s a look at analysts’ rating changes:

  • Virgin Australia cut to underweight at JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley
  • Alacer Gold cut to sector perform at RBC Capital
  • Jetset Travelworld cut to underweight at Morgan Stanley
  • Wotif.com cut to underweight at Morgan Stanley
  • Qantas downgraded to equal weight at Morgan Stanley
  • iinet cut to underperform at Credit Suisse
  • Tatts Group cut to neutral at Bank of America Merrill Lynch
  • Amcor raised to buy at Citi
  • ASX raised to overweight at JPMorgan

 













9:38am: Wall Street fell overnight as Fed “taper fear” rose, after Dallas Fed president Richard Fischer  said “the Fed was closer to slowing bond purchases and warned investors not to rely on stimulus”.

And Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart stated that if current employment trends and economic growth projection hold true, the “removal” of asset purchases by the Fed should processed.

These views are known knows, IG’s Evan Lucas notes:

  • The Fed has made it clear that tapering will happen and that the complete cessing of monetary stimulus is expected by (but is not a certainty) mid-2014. The moves last night are not just down to these news headlines. 
  • Last night was basically trading 101. That is you sell at the highs and buy at the lows, with the S&P at record highs, taking profit is easy. The US markets are so far away from the lows most have brought in at profit it glaring. 
  • One other factor that will put last night’s US trade in perspective, volume turnover of US$4.35 billion is the lowest booking of the year










9:33am: The Australian market looks set to open lower following falls on Wall Street overnight amid warnings of weaker company profits.

On the ASX24, the SPI futures contract was down 19 points at 5041.

Here’s a round-up on what you need2know this morning:

  • SPI futures are 19 points lower at 5041
  • The $A is higher at 89.86 US cents
  • In New York, the S&P500 was 0.57% lower at 1697.37
  • In Europe, the FTSE100 lost 0.2% to 6604.21
  • China iron ore gained 0.92% to $US131.40 a metric tonne
  • Gold fell 1.5% to $US1283.60 an ounce
  • WTI crude oil declined $US1.26 to $US105.30 a barrel
  • Reuters/Jefferies CRB index shed 0.64% at 281.37

Here’s our full wrap












9:30am: Good morning everyone! Welcome to the Markets Live blog for Wednesday.

Contributors: Max Mason, Jens Meyer

This blog is not intended as investment advice

BusinessDay with agencies























Advertisement










  • What happened today? My financial adviser and real estate agents told me stock markets only go up and house prices only go up. Who has to pay the money I owe the banks back? My financial advisers and real estate agents or me? Also, what are my chances of getting the fees and commissions I paid them back?

    Commenter

    Num Num

    Location

    Wood Duck Village

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 4:31PM


    • They are right. Stock market went up today. Whenever you see red colour stocks, this means you are making money.

      Sit back and relax. Enjoy evening coffee and spend money !

      Commenter

      Essen

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 4:49PM











  • So, in summary, what was that (today’s market) all about?

    Commenter

    Roger

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 4:16PM


    • Reality

      Commenter

      Opinion Only

      Location

      Melbourne

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 4:37PM











  • Emeco ( EME ) @ at 5 yrs low…I’d say it is a buy..

    Commenter

    The Romaniac

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 4:07PM




    • US always complain about others regarding their IP. Now the Whitehouse decision to veto an import ban on some Apple products in the US, is making a mockery of the US Patent law. With this veto it seems that patent is useless unless it belongs to a US company.

      Commenter

      worthless IP

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 4:03PM




      • Ding dong 5,000. Get on to the banks he he he.

        Commenter

        Allan

        Location

        Prahran

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 4:03PM




        • Roll on the 7th September. Only 31 days to go thankfully and I for one will feel more confident if we get a coalition government and will start to spend more. The uncertainty under this crowd everywhere has been dreadful. Will the alternative government be perfect of course not but more predictable of course. Roll on the 7th !

          Commenter

          Optimist

          Location

          Looking forward

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:48PM


          • A coalition gov’t will spend more??? You haven’t been listening. A coalition gov’t is all about cutting spending, not increasing it. Heaven help us if this is an indication of the degree of political awareness and economic literacy,

            Commenter

            mitch of ACT

            Location

            Date and time

            August 07, 2013, 4:22PM











        • hey the shorter’s must have seen this coming today..surely?? yet they didn’t say anything yesterday or this morning?? why?

          Commenter

          alfa75

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:46PM


          • alfa just got smoked today! I have not traded in 4 weeks – sorry to burst your bubble alfa! I am making money elsewhere and for the next month will continue to do so. A little venture of mine. I will come back and see you down 500 later on!

            Commenter

            Liberator

            Location

            SEQLD

            Date and time

            August 07, 2013, 4:18PM











        • where’s mr 120%? ..guess he will do his usual 4.30 posts so he can have the last word again he he…and GA will back him up again he he

          Commenter

          alfa75

          Location

          da plane da plane

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:42PM


          • Called 5100 weeks ago. Seems to have been accurate again. 50/50 alfa! How big is that margin call today?

            Commenter

            Liberator

            Location

            SEQLD

            Date and time

            August 07, 2013, 4:20PM











        • So much for the AllOrds at 5000.

          Commenter

          mitch of ACT

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:34PM




          • Well that’s it for the rest of the week…only got tomorrow and then Friday sell off, followed by no undy mundy!! cya Tuesday…goin’ fishin’…going to hook me a barra!

            Commenter

            which bank?

            Location

            Date and time

            August 07, 2013, 3:22PM




    • Sounds good. Please go for longer. You’re a real downer on this blog so it’s always much better when you aren’t here trying to impose your misery on others.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:48PM











  • Hate to say but when US gets a knock on the head, we get a damn slap.

    Commenter

    KC3

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 3:19PM


    • heheh yeah, just weak holder’s panicking again, nothing more.

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:28PM











    • mate if today is a slap, would hate to cop a king hit…lol

      Commenter

      KC4

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:33PM











  • SELL SELL SELL as AORDs plunges towards 3000 and China sends the world into the eternal abyss of the SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION!!!

    Commenter

    Assad

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 3:19PM




    • Variable rates at lowest for just a smidge over 4 years, and yet base rates are at the lowest for 59 years.

      Please explain boys (and girl … allegedly).

      Commenter

      Ex-NAB

      Location

      Melbourne

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:12PM


      • It is simple really. Spooked by fraud driven stock market, housing bubble and falling gold most ordinary investors are content with low but safe return of deposit acc and TD. Banks are benefiting with easy funding from those record numbers in savings.

        Now with rate cuts those returns on savings have fallen to near zero. Adjusted for inflation and tax investors needs 3.5% just to stay even, and if you look at savings accounts and TD most are at 4.0% or bellow. This means if banks lower lending rates they have to keep cutting TD , Sav.Acc rates.

        Problem is they are already at break even point meaning any cuts and investors will flee and force banks to go overseas bond markets for funding… but hang on… AUD falling and foreign bonds rising means its going to cost them more. In other words next RBA cut might not be passed at all.. or if savers start running now, banks might even have to raise as RBA cuts. Now would not that be funny?

        Commenter

        Dj77

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:38PM











    • Anyone who bought FMG yesterday for $3.97 should probably appoint a power of attorney to manage their money lol

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:04PM


      • anyone that claims to make a profit on every trader should have their mortgage paid off by now…and be a lillandlord he he, cmon mate.

        Commenter

        alfa75

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:29PM











      • alfa is really sour today and do we know why?

        alfa this is just for you being a little Negative-Nelly: My little 2 month venture will pay for 15% of my remaining home loan! Who needs to trade every day!

        Commenter

        Liberator

        Location

        SEQLD

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 4:23PM











    • 2:37pm: Are high-yielding stocks overvalued ……… Good question. If you have come yelping out of term deposits then what are you to do? Buying expensive rental property with all its headaches is dumb. Trying to get a regular income from growth stock, with the ASX on 5030 is a worry. Chasing a grossed up 8% div and some growth,… ok not perfect but why not. TLS releases its results tomorrow. An annual grossed up div of 43 cents was foreshadowed recently. If true, then then 8.6% beats a lot of other options. To sell TLS etc a few days befor ex div date can give you more than the div with its CG and avoid the post div vertical drop of 2x the div. If things go wrong to sit and hold, collect the div and wait n wait. Oervalued, of course but 8% is 8%

      Commenter

      Bearly Gruntled

      Location

      Land of hot air

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:54PM


      • Less holding costs on cash that could be used several times over.

        Commenter

        mitch of ACT

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:25PM











      • TLS could easily suffer from “buy on the rumour, sell on the fact”: when its results are announced tomorrow, particularly if the market continues the dive. Might even be worth a top-up to get more of that 8%.

        Commenter

        mitch of ACT

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:38PM











    • Pleased to see MMS have held up as good as the big 4 and as sure as night follows day there is a lot more upside to the entrepreneur….

      Commenter

      Captor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:50PM


      • Word will get around.

        Commenter

        Bearly Gruntled

        Location

        Land of hot air

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:27PM








    • there is nothing entrepreneurial about MMS.

      Commenter

      worried33

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:56PM











  • RE: Credit Suisse analyst Damien Boey says it is important for investors to note that as they weigh up yield, they also need to weigh up the quality and sustainability of that yield.

    Good point. I guess many investors weren’t aware of all the losses investors have suffered over the years when they don’t do the requisite research and buy “great stocks at any price”. The problem is when you buy a great company at the top of its range it tends to stagger around the high point of its range then fall back towards it’s long term average in the medium term. Who would have thought? lol

    Commenter

    Gordon Akman

    Location

    Broadbeach

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 2:49PM




    • FMG short now on the money. Should have added @ 3.97 yesterday. damn it

      Commenter

      got brain

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:40PM




      • BHP CEO: Commodities demand to grow 75pc by 2018 (AFR today). What do you think he is smoking?

        Commenter

        Not Happy

        Location

        Briabane

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:38PM


        • probably the same thing as Craig James from CBA.

          Commenter

          worried33

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:07PM











        • I don’t think he’s smoking anything. I think he got together with Charlie, both of them kneeling down over a bowl, having a towel over their heads, performing steam (tea leaves) inhalation in a futile attempt to see the future…ohmm ohmm…reveal to us, Oh great one, reveal to us, where the market will be by 2018…ohmm ohmm; “…75% up, a deep, unfathomable voice replied”

          Commenter

          Market Matador

          Location

          Asylum Brokerage Ltd

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:12PM











        • actually, he said over the next 15 years

          Commenter

          WaggaDave

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:43PM











      • If Silver Lake Resources Limited (SLR) falls back to around $0.60 again I’ll probably hit it again 🙂

        Commenter

        Gordon Akman

        Location

        Broadbeach

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:29PM


        • It has actually held up very well today GA given the hammering gold has copped this week…I am watching as well, just looking for a support level for gold

          Commenter

          Looking for Value

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 2:55PM











        • If gold holds $1200, I think this is a good punt 🙂

          Commenter

          worried33

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:13PM











        • Yes SLR is one of the least worst small cap gold miners in my opinion. If small cap gold miners start going to the wall SLR won’t be the first in my opinion. That’s actually a real positive for SLR in the currently highly distressed gold sector.

          Commenter

          Gordon Akman

          Location

          Broadbeach

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 3:28PM











      • This Bull is running the wrong way…Turn back, silly Bull, it’s the other way. Oh, damn it, it’s gone now….ASX @3500, this crazed & confused QE Bull is coming your way; even the Bear is laughing, sitting patiently & enjoying its salmon.

        Commenter

        Market Matador

        Location

        Asylum Brokerage Ltd

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:14PM


        • lol

          Commenter

          Gordon Akman

          Location

          Broadbeach

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 2:31PM











        • As the bulls stampede over e cliff there are one or two here who usually clean up. Allan and Liberator have been fairly quite today. Have you guys been eating beef or what? If so have you any bearish thoughts on the future ASX direction.

          Commenter

          Bearly Gruntled

          Location

          Land of hot air

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 2:40PM











        • these two lost the lot in May (they should have made a killing but got greedy). no doubts. And know we gotta here em say … “my money is tied in other huge projects,so im out of the market”..”the only reason i dont have any property is b/c it is overpriced”…bla bla bla…truth is they don’t have the funds to invest or trade…simple truth..am i wrong mr 120%?
          cmon fellas

          Commenter

          alfa75

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 2:58PM








    • they do have a point, it is the most overpriced property market in the world…

      Commenter

      worried33

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 4:02PM











  • Wassup alfa, not having a good day? Go and get yourself a grease and oil. Run along now.

    Commenter

    Allan

    Location

    Prahran

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 2:04PM


    • I have never observed a more unhappy person than alfa75 and I have been reading sports, business, news blogs/websites etc daily for more than a decade.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:12PM











    • Poor alpha75, actually I kind of feel for him…now he has to go down to a Fiat500….broooom broooom, Baaaannnkkkksss!

      Commenter

      Dealer

      Location

      Sydney

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:35PM











    • I wonder how many margin calls are heading the longs way?

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:43PM











  • As a newbie, just wondering if my $5.40 CBA shares purchased in 1991 attract the same dividend the $60 shorters of 2013 get?

    Commenter

    which bank?

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 2:00PM


    • Don’t fool us. You are not a newbie. You’ve been doing this since 1991.

      Commenter

      P. Rav

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:23PM











    • Or Grandpa bought you? i would not want to be owning a share attached to the most over priced assets in the world. Don’t look now, they’re in free fall.

      Commenter

      JohnBB

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:39PM











    • The government sold 2 businesses around that time CBA and Qantas. Also WOW listed at around $3. So if you were old enough and had money, and made the decision to buy CBA & WOW along with many others at that time, well done. But there was no skill involved, just luck and I’m sure your grandchildren will enjoy the inheritance of those shares because you will never sell them. But you may have lamented not selling before the GFC and then subsequently buying them back, that would have been a great investment decision, instead like many others you clutched tightly to your paper share certificates and hoped for the best…….I did too 🙂

      Commenter

      buysell

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:59PM











    • What at $5.40 JohnBB? The dividend is $3.61 per share, multiply that by 20000 and give me another pearler….Einstein!

      Commenter

      which bank?

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:00PM











    • mr 120%..leave the poor bloke alone, has his money tied up some place else…then he’s gonna hit big again…but maybe not!! ohh no..what should he do!!! cmon mr 120%…tell us your next move? property…nah bubble?? hehe…cmon dude

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:06PM











    • @which bank? You’ve been indoctrinated mate. There are far better places to put that money than shares attached to the most overpriced asset in the world. It makes no difference today how much you paid for them. Yeah, your dividend’s nearly as much as what you paid. You did well, but it would make zero difference if you sold them and sought TLS or some other high payer. It’s just mathematics. Einstein.

      Commenter

      JohnBB

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:47PM











  • Thanks god non of our brilliant analysts hasn’t blamed profit taking yet for today’s bloodshed.

    Commenter

    Not Happy

    Location

    Brisbane

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 2:00PM


    • Someone mentioned the “s” word, the very thought of stimulus being reduced scares the market…..what a crazy world, of course it’s going to stop, governments can’t keep racking up debt indefinitely.

      Commenter

      buysell

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:34PM











  • Market a bit down. I reckon it’s because people are realizing that labor are still an outside chance of winning another term…

    Commenter

    player1

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:57PM




    • was thinkin tha same thing meself

      Commenter

      player2

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:13PM











    • Labor has got zero chance of winning. They were suppose to lose in 2010, except Abbott was the Liberal leader. 3 years of green policies has soured the nation but it is mainly Murdochs media empire which will get Tony in. Even though he is still the same old medievialist, he has 3 years of intensive personallity reassignment to avoid letting the inner demon out. Betting on the election should be stopped.

      Commenter

      Bearly Gruntled

      Location

      Land of hot air

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:06PM











    • if that is the case, the best share available at the moment has to be MMS…what you say Mitch?

      Commenter

      Captor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:31PM











  • It would be great if Caltex fell to $17 again. I’d be in like Flynn!

    Commenter

    Gordon Akman

    Location

    Broadbeach

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:45PM


    • wow, yep , you go for it…don’t forget the airlines he he

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:36PM











    • I owned them at $7. Sold and $9 and thought I done ok!!!

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:44PM











    • @Liberator what time frame did you pick up that 28%? Last time I traded Caltex I picked up 11.5% in a month.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:53PM











  • Tell me is this dip today going to follow for all of August as I tried to pick market top yesterday at 5091 and shorted it then it had a quick run up to 5111 and took me out as I felt the interest rate drop would make market drop heavy but nooooo! Please help down to my last 5k!

    Commenter

    Rueben

    Location

    Alexandra Headland

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:43PM


    • I was short at 5105 – should have held longer! But my trading monies are all tied up still and will be back here one week soon!!! EN MASS!

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:46PM











    • It seems like a profit taking session to me. Market should pick up tomorrow slightly even if US goes in red overnight.

      We had 10% drop in ASX index few months ago and therefore it looks quite unreasonable if it drops again by 10% or more.

      Commenter

      Essen

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:02PM











    • Lib, why not short individual stocks? No capital required.

      A bet on the index falling is very similar to shorting BHP or CBA.

      Or write option calls?

      Commenter

      igroki

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:34PM











  • Tony is talking up Olympic dam(uranium). PDN is down 5%. Does this mean no-one believes him.

    Commenter

    Bearly Gruntled

    Location

    Land of hot air

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:43PM


    • PDN at $0.67 LMFAO! What a debacle!

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:14PM











    • How do I know not to believe him?

      His mouth is moving.

      (feel free to adopt this to any pollie)

      Commenter

      heybert

      Location

      Sesame Street

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:18PM











    • Tony didn’t learn from his drubbing by Leigh Sales on Olympic Dam. Still blaming the mining tax – does not apply, and the carbon tax – minimal impact, on BHP’s decision to mothball Olympic Dam. But then as Rudd says, the Libs think the Australian electorate has the memory span of a goldfish. ‘Fraid not. We even remember Honest John and his “never. ever GST” & “core & non-core promises” and “governing for all Australians” and then giving us Work Choices. This latest iteration have all the appearances of going down the same path. I wonder who they’ll take us to war with.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:21PM








    • PDN was what… $11 bucks awhile back?

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:47PM











    • I think PDN @ mid 60’s is a decent bet. Have a buy waiting in line at 65c, I believe it will be around $1 by the end of next year.

      With the Russian / US uranium agreement ending end of this year, there may be some upwards pressure on prices. China also bringing many reactors online in the next decade, when Japan brings theirs back online too, will be a uranium shortfall IMHO.

      Commenter

      worried33

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:11PM











  • Look at the gold price today, an interesting youtube to watch on gold:

    Commenter

    Not Happy

    Location

    Brisbane

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:37PM




    • Boy oh boy when we have a bad day it really looks ugly…not a day for nervous nellies that is for sure!

      Commenter

      Looking for Value

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:31PM


      • Time to buy.

        Commenter

        Renter

        Location

        Bribie mud flats

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:58PM











      • correct!

        Commenter

        Looking for Value

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:15PM











      • Wrong-o, it’s time to short short short forever as AORDs has reached it’s 5100 peak for 2013-2020 for the EASIEST MONEY EVER MADE

        Commenter

        Assad

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 3:21PM











    • 1.14pm …Despite some of the most attractive buying conditions in years…..
      A young couple facing a $500k mortgage possibly don’t see it as an attractive deal. When prices start to rocket up they will feel forced into it. A single person has no chance except if they can find a like minded business partner to go halves. Yet buying is the most sensible long term option. After 20 years and if you can pay it off, you then have a rent free life. Then there are those who will always miss out,sad. A first step could be to research as to how renters can join together and become an owner. I don’t have the solution. Finally there is the yikean factor. If houses crash 50% how many of you will have a job, let alone income. In this case how will you pay the rent.

      Commenter

      Bearly Gruntled

      Location

      Land of hot air

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:30PM


      • Simple, let housing have a slow melt and incomes catch up.

        The reforms that can do it are,

        – SMSF cannot purchase existing dwellings

        – Foreign ownership restricted to new dwellings

        – Reasonable removal of NG and CGT discounts over a suitable time

        – Land taxes and removal of stamp duties etc

        – Increase taxes/interest rates on 2nd/3rd properties to a level that makes them less attractive for investment

        and finally reverse mortgages for all applying for the age pension……

        Commenter

        Opinion Only

        Location

        Melbourne

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:41PM











      • lol no nothing houses in nothing suburbs in the US are around $150k in the less sort after areas and up to about $250k in the more sort after areas. The only properties that command high prices are actually in sort after/wealthy areas i.e. places like New York apartments, nice homes on the Pacific Ocean in California etc. None of that $500k nonsense for a nothing house in a nothing suburb like we have in Australia. Your crocodile tears are laughable. It’s not some renter paying a few hundred bucks a week to rent some nothing house in Australia that’s in financial distress, it’s the littlelandlord clown who paid $500k + with borrowed money and is now in deep depression as they comprehend how much debt they are in and how asset and rent price growth has gone nowhere since 2010 and is going nowhere anytime soon lol

        Commenter

        Gordon Akman

        Location

        Broadbeach

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:53PM











      • nope. false.
        mortgage rates ~5%, what happens when they go back to ~10% and they want to have kids?

        Commenter

        worried33

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:57PM











      • “Yet buying is the most sensible long term option”

        Only for owner occupied because of the tax break. Not at any price though and definitely not at today’s bubble prices.

        Commenter

        Allan

        Location

        Prahran

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:01PM











      • Simply over priced. There is no other argument. What really has new investors spooked is taking on $500K in debt and having $100K in interest only repayments over 5 years while the value of the property remains the same! A $600K cost at that point in time 5 years on… a very true reality for many a post ’08 home buyer.

        Commenter

        Liberator

        Location

        SEQLD

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:25PM











      • Those littlelandlords sound like they are in great distress. Paying $500k to rent out a 4 bedroom to a bunch of semi hoons in my book is dumb. A gross return of 5% is dumb. Who are these mysterious gooses who probably end up with 2% nett. If they are chasing negative gearing then they would hardly be in distress.

        Commenter

        Bearly Gruntled

        Location

        Land of hot air

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:25PM











      • @Bearly Gruntled here’s a house for rent on Sovereign Islands for $1100 a week that is actually quite a nice home on the Broadwater.

        http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-qld-sovereign+islands-410979363

        The owner must be making a fortune in asset and rent price growth ey?

        ROTFLMAO!

        Commenter

        Gordon Akman

        Location

        Broadbeach

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 2:38PM








    • …and not if you don’t have a cent in the bank mr 120% he he, keep dreaming

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:46PM











    • @Opinion Only…..”and finally reverse mortgages for all applying for the age pension”…… Can’t get my head around how that would make a difference. What am I missing? Foreigners already are not allowed to buy except new, and for studying kids or temp visas. We all know that’s not what’s happening. Hey Rudd and Abbott, I hereby request an investigation in to the FIRB with jail the penalty for breech of policy, and confiscation of property bought outside of policy.

      Commenter

      JohnBB

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:32PM











    • Wow GA, I think I’ll move in tomorrow. It’s exactly twice what I’m paying for a 2 br 70’s style dump about 10k from Sydney. Shudder to think what the rental return on this place is though.

      Commenter

      Davo

      Location

      Sydney

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:43PM











    • @Davo of Sydney lol Do you think it might be “negatively geared”? :)))

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 4:17PM











  • “Apparently Australian borrowers haven’t had it this good for over 50 years – but you wouldn’t know it from looking at the home loan data, CommSec chief economist Craig James notes’

    Craig cost of borrowing is irrelevant if you do not think you are getting fair price for what you wish to buy. Which is why slashing rates will not work in long term. Sure might give some boost in short term as last few foolish catch falling knife..

    Commenter

    Dj77

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:24PM


    • Even if interest rates were 0% the Commonwealth Bank wouldn’t start lending more money to their littlelandlords. They can’t. The existing losses littlelandlords are sitting on mark them as too high risk to lend anymore money. In fact, Commonwealth Bank is more concerned about the likelihood the money they have already lent them is going to be paid back on time or at all.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:10PM











    • its a good thing your a happy man GA..crikey!! envy and jealousy a bad bad combo for your health..and mr 120% sound’s like a total rite off he he

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:44PM











  • how have the gamblers gone today? must be making a killing with all that spare cash they have he he, mr 120% especially he he, perfect day for the gamblers today

    Commenter

    alfa75

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 1:19PM


    • How much money have you lost since 2010? Just roughly?

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:55PM











    • Haha GA. If you ask me and take my house in to consideration!!! The trading offset the home!

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:04PM











  • 12:03pm: Election betting is a sham….When there is a certain american media mogul choosing, loudly, one side in our election then is it ethical to allow betting on the result.

    Commenter

    Bearly Gruntled

    Location

    Land of hot air

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 12:49PM




    • Get on the banks. he he he he…

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:47PM


      • ohhh the fun im gonna have with you mr 120%..he he

        Commenter

        alfa75

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:31PM











      • My trades are posted. Where are yours? LOL what a try hard. he he he he he

        Commenter

        Allan

        Location

        Prahran

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:46PM











      • Thanks for biting. he he he he

        Commenter

        Allan

        Location

        Prahran

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 1:54PM








    • FMG fell from $5.23 to $2.92 this year alone and you try and mock people who made money shorting it? You contribute nothing to this blog each day other than revealing how ignorant and obnoxious you are.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:03PM











    • yes yes mr 120% is a gem of a gambler GA, you don’t need to remind the forum every 5 mins?? gotta love his CBA short at 5.40

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      the moon

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:50PM











  • Oooh I’m ganna miss my cereal and milk for breakfast. I have to switch to bacon and egg.

    Commenter

    Not Happy

    Location

    Brisbane

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 12:38PM




    • And finally mining boom is over, I am “not happy”. I just introduced myself.

      Commenter

      Not Happy

      Location

      Brisbane

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:36PM




      • Do you know, most people are communist and that include most USA’s president and our PMs ( except JG, I can’t tell if she is one ).When was the last time you held an election in your family to select the leader ? ( democratic ideal ). When was the last time you tell your kids if you pay me more I will love you more. ( That is capitalist idea ). You give each (kids) according to his/her need ( that is communist ideal). So within most families (communes), most people practise communist ideal. I am not advocating for communism, because such ideal can never work nor can capitalist ideal, in human society.

        Commenter

        Food For Thought

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 12:09PM


        • Kids hate their parents when the parents cut their allowance (austerity or punishment)

          Commenter

          tango8

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 12:28PM











      • When the fund managers say sell and the punters say “how much”?? Here we go, back down the drain! ASX 4500 anyone?

        Commenter

        panda

        Location

        perth

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 12:07PM


        • 1% down after 12 consecutive days of gains, doomsday has arrived!!!!

          Commenter

          marks

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 12:46PM











        • the managed funds aren’t selling a thing, they are long term bank holders thanks to the big juicy dividend!..to easy ppl!

          Commenter

          alfa75

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 1:27PM











      • Economists seem to spend too much time looking at charts or in an office. They should get out and see what is really happening. Mining boom over? No. Fe over $Aus148. Record shipments out of Cape Lambert & Port Headland in WA. All bought by China. China has also had record consumption of cement. So China doing pretty well. Being in Europe. Autobans full of trucks. East like Poland & Czek going gangbusters. (Neither use euro). The Danube & Rhine full of barges going both ways. Amsterdam port is chockers. Conclusion. Mining boom in west not over; China still growing; Manufacturing in Europe increasing. $Aus will soon head towards mid nineties. Only real issue is USA – most jobs created are part time. Housing leading the recovery & we know what happens if this continues.

        Commenter

        Seb Gonzo

        Location

        New Farm

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 12:06PM


        • Which part of New Farm do you live? Teneriffe or woolstore apartments?

          Commenter

          Not Happy

          Location

          Brisbane

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 12:42PM











        • Odd question. Not far from Merthyr Bowls Club. Full time trader with an 11 EEE shoesize.

          Commenter

          Seb Gonzo

          Location

          New Farm

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 1:17PM











        • nice one seb….very funny!

          Commenter

          Looking for Value

          Location

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 2:36PM











      • dow down 0.6 and ASX down 1.1%. short the index is getting easier

        Commenter

        got brain

        Location

        Date and time

        August 07, 2013, 12:06PM


        • We told them so. So 5100 was the ceiling!

          Commenter

          Liberator

          Location

          SEQLD

          Date and time

          August 07, 2013, 12:48PM








    • I tried the short thing last Friday but unfortunately got shaken out even with a 15 point stop. Sigh, if only it was so easy to pick the top!

      Commenter

      panda

      Location

      perth

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:41PM











  • Those talking about buying QAN, VAH, EHL, BDR, CCL in recent days must be glad they sat on their hands, or wish they had. On the plus side those stocks are worth looking at now. Those who jumped into MMS in the last few days, and are still in there are way behind.

    Commenter

    mitch of ACT

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 12:02PM


    • No one can pick the exact bottom. An experienced investor is not overly worried if something falls further in the days after they buy it. You need to give long trades at least a few months and sometimes a couple years to see if they are any good. For example, if you went long CBA in May at $74 when the AUD was US$1.03 it might have taken until August to realize how dumb you are.

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:09PM











    • When I buy a new stock it’s usually in the knowledge that by clicking “buy” on my online broker’s website I am dooming the price of the stock to fall after my trade has been processed. When I click “sell” the price soars after my sale has gone through. So my trading activity is limited initially to small parcels, large enough to make the brokerage worth-while, but small enough not to suffer a big loss. After that I top-up or sell down as opportunity arises.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:09PM











  • Nice puff peace by Pascoe on Charlie Aitken yesterday. Every single comment on the article disagreed with it. ROFLMAO!

    Commenter

    Allan

    Location

    Prahran

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 11:25AM


    • Reminds me about the time I was in the army cadets, my proud mum said look at my boy “he is the only one marching in step”…

      Commenter

      Sgt Bilko

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:00PM











    • Oh no I wrote “peace” instead of “piece”, how will wb cope with the rest of his day? ROFLMAO!

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:19PM











    • The odds that you did that on purpose are $1.53.

      Commenter

      heybert

      Location

      Sesame Street

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:57PM











  • A general question to stir the pot. But why is the ‘mining boom’ over? Is it the theme or flavour of the quarter? … I’m curious, as we’ve been mining in this country almost for the past few centuries, is the industry saturated now?

    Commenter

    gotmilkmoney

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 11:11AM


    • China artificially boosted their GDP by building infrastructure to such a degree that resource supply was squeezed and prices skyrocketed.

      What follows is 1) the spending was economically unsustainable so has been curtailed and 2) new supply has come online as is always the case when restricted supply causes high prices.

      1 + 2= boom over. Mining will still carry on but the easy money has gone ie no reason to go to WA.

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:31AM











    • Yeah…every time the Ruddster opens his mouth he is going on about the end of the mining boom/industry. Talk about negative politics. It was only a while back that they were all talking about the mining boom Mk 2.

      Commenter

      Happy Hippy

      Location

      Nimbin.

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:33AM











    • Allan…actual volumes of iron ore are going up all be it at lower prices.The Chinese must be doing something with it. Nails?!

      Commenter

      Happy Hippy

      Location

      Nimbin.

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:39AM











    • I would argue that the process went something like this:

      Huge economic expansion in China (and to a lesser extent India and other Asian countries) led to a sharp rise in demand for raw materials.

      This drove the price up.

      This led to a huge investment in supply, in Australia but also in Brazil, Mongolia, Russia and many other countries.

      As this huge increase in supply came online in brought the price down somewhat.

      This reduced the incentive for further investment in new mines.

      It is important to remember that the mines are just entering their useful life now and will be exporting raw materials for decades to come. It’s not that the “mining boom” is over. It’s the investment boom that is.

      Commenter

      Ivan the Investor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:40AM











    • Good responses thanks. I remember Rudd saying China aims to build 50,000 new skyscrapers by 2025. Perhaps they’ve built them already, they don’t mess about!

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:48AM











    • Correct Ivan.

      Also in that investment (building mines) takes more labour than running mines. Which is why the move from investment to running will “hurt” the economy.

      Commenter

      tango8

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:50AM








    • Write the miners off at your own peril…China at 7.5% growth now is so much greater than 12% 15 years ago..do the math!

      Commenter

      Looking for Value

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:51AM











    • Supply is growing faster than demand = lower prices. Iron ore is not rare you know.

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:06PM











    • No they don’t muck about except when the imprison people on trumped up charges. Just ask Liu Xiaobo, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, doing 11 years for a one page document on reform.

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:17PM











    • @Allan,

      Iron ore may not be rare but places you can get high quality material out of the ground and onto a ship profitably for $90/tonne are surprisingly hard to come by.

      The cost curve will prevent the price sinking much below $100/tonne in my opinion.

      There just ain’t that many mines able to operate profitably at those levels

      Commenter

      Ivan the Investor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:56PM











  • Just bought some more Emeco Holdings Limited (EHL).

    Commenter

    Gordon Akman

    Location

    Broadbeach

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 11:03AM


    • No Gordo No!… Actually I believe they are a great company, I just feel the sentiment out there is.. not so great. If they don’t pay their usual div. next month things could go sideways.

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:13AM











    • Why? It has every chance of going bust.

      Commenter

      Kingly

      Location

      Oz

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:17AM











    • You’re an EHL bot ;o)

      Commenter

      heybert

      Location

      Sesame Street

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:17AM











    • Price to assets: 0.32

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:35AM











    • @gotmilkmoney you do some research on a company that is involved in renting, maintaining and selling heavy earthmoving equipment in this environment that has fallen from $1.18 in 2012 to $0.22 and conclude it’s a dividend yield play? Oh dear…

      @Kingly you don’t do your research do you. Have you done some financial analysis on Emeco? Can you tell me which leading global hedge funds have started building small positions in Emeco since May and which one is now the major shareholder?

      @heybert you know I love companies like this that are out of favour and have a share price bouncing around a wide trading range. These types of trades are my bread and butter 😉

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:02PM











    • @Gordo snap! I like EHL and I’ll be buying back in, but holding back just at this moment. I might be paying more for holding out; I’ll take the chance. I certainly don’t think they are going anywhere except up in the longer term though.

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:23PM











    • Gordo, with mining boom tapering off, do you know how many trucks and mining equipment is just sitting around in yards?
      Did you read Caterpillar’s latest report – it wasn’t exactly glowing about the future. No wonder Jim Chanos is shorting it.
      Have you also seen Westrac’s recent results? Laying off 10% of its staff and more cuts to come.
      Emeco might look cheap, but it could get much cheaper. Big risk you are taking, but good luck to you.

      Commenter

      Kingly

      Location

      Oz

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:38PM











    • Talking about First Samuel?

      Commenter

      The Romaniac

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:38PM











    • I did the same thing with you.How about PDN @0.655.

      Commenter

      oi

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:09PM











    • you guys gonna take advice from a bloke who thinks the airlines are a good investment?
      he he

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:29PM








    • @Kingly what part does price play in your research? You seem to be one of those people that says the same thing after the share price has fallen. You are saying the same things that were said about Emeco when the share price was $1.18. It’s not $1.18 anymore man. It’s fallen as low as $0.22. I already bought Emeco once for $0.245 and sold it 10 days later for $0.295.

      You reference the most successful short trader in the world who also has had an epic short trade on FMG which Allan of Prahran has also done very well on. But I bought FMG for an average price of $3.12 and sold two weeks later for $3.63 (also published on this blog and easily looked up on Google).

      The problem I have observed with many people who comment on this blog is they say the same publicly available information that was said when the discussed share was a totally different price. They will parrot some publicly available information about a stock when it is $10 then parrot the same publicly available information when the stock is $2. That’s why your investments perform so poorly. Who would have though “price” was such a big part of stock picking? lol If you invested $1 million with David Tepper’s hedge fund Appaloosa in 1993 today it would be worth $149 million because he understands the relevance of price in investing. Now stop being lazy and do some research for once (yes David Tepper has bought some Emeco in the last few months).

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:31PM











    • Gordo, a couple of points.
      News earlier this week that Straits Resources had placed a mine in Indonesia on care and maintenance, affecting Emeco is not the start of things to come?
      First Samuel have been buying since Feb, I wonder how much they are underwater on their Emeco shares?
      Emeco’s assets aren’t worth book value. Who’s going to hire or buy mining equipment that no-one wants to use?
      And with $460m of debt on its books, Emeco will be in the hands of the banks faster than you can say “mining boom is dead”.

      Commenter

      Kingly

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:00PM











    • @Kingly its share price has fallen from $1.18 to $0.22 and you comment “the start of things to come?” lol Read your own comment man lol You don’t think “the start of things” i.e. negative sentiment might have started when its share price was 600% higher in 2012? You really have no clue what you are doing do you?

      Commenter

      Gordon Akman

      Location

      Broadbeach

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:43PM











  • Rate cut, 1.5% company tax cut, yet it appears that usa taper talk is driving the ASX down. We are a toothless guppy in a sea of savage dog fish.

    Commenter

    Bearly Gruntled

    Location

    Land of hot air

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:57AM


    • And don’t forget that if company tax is cut the franking credit on dividends is reduced as well. The net effect depends on whether the lower tax payable is used to increase dividends.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:58AM











  • The polls are calling a close election, however, if you believe the coalition will win, MMS looks a very good bet (as opposed to investment)

    Commenter

    Captor

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:54AM


    • Is that why people are selling out of MMS today. MMS has become a day-trader’s plaything rather than a political yard-stick. The average trade volume is 250 shares, down from 500 yesterday, altho in afternoon trading that was shrinking from 500 to 400 to 300.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:13AM











    • Agree with you Captor, bought a parcel at $8 and looking for $12 maybe more

      Commenter

      Looking for Value

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:20AM











    • It is easy to criticize Mitch, but in reality the entire market is down, so what generally happens to all stocks when the ASX is down? If the Libs win the proposed legislation will not see the light of day and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out what happens then. Probably back near $18, but as I said it is a gamble based on the election result. The LNP is no Black Caviar, but they have a better than even chance in my humble…have a profitable day!

      Commenter

      Captor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:35AM











    • “bought a nice parcel”, “go you good thing”, “looking to top up” all phrases used by newbie wannabees.

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:13PM











    • @Captor, with MMS there are 2 big problems. Even presuming that the electorate is silly enough to follow the totally self-interested instructions from Murdoch 1.Tony Abbott has said that the Labor legislation will not be proceeded with, he still has to find a way to pay for it. Promise everything to everyone before the election then find every excuse under the sun afterwards to renege. His mentor John Howard was the master at this. 2. Abbott & co are threatening to sack thousands of public servants, in the face of sackings from the private sector, and lower-paid workers and public servants are the main clients of companies like MMS, who is going to be confident enough in their job to take out a novated lease. All kinds of penal;ties apply if you can’t keep up the payments.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:44PM











    • @Mitch did my own vote compass test this morning..lets just say we will have to agree to disagree..

      Commenter

      Captor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:12PM











    • @Captor, you play with your money and I’ll play with mine. Did you mention Compass, remember what happened to them?

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:49PM











    • touch a nerve?…. lol

      Commenter

      Captor

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 2:19PM











  • Yesterday in Malcolm Maiden’s article “Rate cut a leg-up for economy”. His first statement “One of the things the Reserve Bank has been trying to do with its cash rate cuts is persuade people to move money out of bank deposits into areas where it will generate more economic activity.”. The fact that banks practise “Fractional-reserve banking”, the money in bank deposites are available to the bank to lend out for economic activities. If the bank deposited is taken out and invested into the share the market, the money will be trnsferred between investors. The company cannot directly used the money except use the market cap to borrow. If the bank deposited is taken out to buy import goods, most of the money will flow oversea, some taken by the the service provider, Retialer. Unfortunately, RBA preferred punish the saver by lowering interest rate.

    Commenter

    From the East

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:54AM




    • Plus, of course, with the large number of foreign investors in the Australian market, cash from Australian bank deposits used to purchase shares could just as easily flow overseas and be lost to the Australian economy forever.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:09AM











  • I hope Charlie Aitken didn’t spend all his money yesterday.
    Maybe cheaper prices ahead???

    Commenter

    buysell

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:36AM


    • he jumped on in may mate, when guys like you were gripped with fear.

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:11AM











    • Astute man is our Charlie…

      Commenter

      Looking for Value

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:15AM











    • He probably sold his personal holdings yesterday after the big call.

      Commenter

      buysell

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:28AM











    • He spruiked FMG at $10 and is still paying off the margin loan.

      Commenter

      Allan

      Location

      Prahran

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:11PM











    • You guys don’t have any idea what share trading is. I’m not ganna waste my time answer your nonesense. You all go to hell except Gordan Akman.

      Commenter

      Charlie Aitken

      Location

      Brisbane

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:52PM











    • hahaha charlie…you legend you he he!
      go the bulls,go the banks!!

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:17PM











    • Hey Charlie do you have any share tips, let me know so I can go short. I think the last one Bell Potter put out was a high conviction buy on MQG a couple of days ago at $45.50, hope you didn’t buy too many.

      Commenter

      buysell

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 3:03PM











  • Does anyone here use Montgomery’s Skaffold at all?

    Commenter

    tim_r

    Location

    Brisbane

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:23AM


    • No but I’ve followed his methodology and read his book. It’s okay, the problem is you can be waiting a very very long time for a company to realise it’s correct price. In the mean time, how do you know you’re right? How can you be confident the company’s being truthful? In other words the saying ….”irrational longer than I can remain solvent” …for me anyway is very relevant when it comes to value investing. There’s been some shockers. CCP was one where the company wasn’t so truthful and I lost a lot of money. It wasn’t scaffold but still value investing.

      Commenter

      JohnBB

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 10:52AM











    • a word on mr montgomery…those that can do, those that can’t teach.

      Commenter

      alfa75

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:00AM











    • No I don’t use it, but I’ve trialled it. If anyone thinks a black box can pick stocks for you, then good luck to you. And users don’t get to see how stocks get the rankings or valuations Skaffold gives them.
      There are also issues with the methodology in using ROE (Return on Equity). ROE can be wildly distorted by substantial cash or debt balances, and some industries will tend to have higher ROEs than others. As an example, fund managers (think Platinum AM) require very little real assets to generate a return, hence their ROE will tend to be much higher than say a supermarket retailer.

      Commenter

      Kingly

      Location

      Oz

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:24AM











    • I have also read the book, and thinks it’s a sound methodology for working out the current value of a company. More importantly is the unknowns, ie future profit, management, economic issues etc That’s the real challenge, valuations are just as much an art as a science.

      Commenter

      buysell

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:40AM











  • Here we go again…Down down.

    Commenter

    Support @ 3200

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:13AM




    • More good buying opportunities…lovely!

      Commenter

      Support@4900

      Location

      ASX200

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:11AM











    • … but … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck …

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:58AM











  • http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/china-powers-ahead-in-hidden-tender-for-brown-coal-millions-20130806-2rdjt.html

    All 3 listed are NOT listed on the ASX, there is good reason for that obviously

    http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130807/pdf/42hjj8p05rqns2.pdf

    Commenter

    Bassy

    Location

    Date and time

    August 07, 2013, 10:10AM


    • watch MNM in this space too…

      Commenter

      worried33

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 10:30AM











    • CNX – Carbon Energy gets my vote. Strong existing ties with China and ready to deploy their coal seam technologies.

      Commenter

      gotmilkmoney

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 11:02AM











    • Bassy, how does one buy ESIO options? There is no strike price or choice to buy puts or calls using ESIO code on CMCMarkets or BellDirect.

      Commenter

      Capt Awesome

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:31PM











    • So 5100 was the limit. I thought for a second there you yups would push 5200! Greed, speculation and optimism have their limits!

      Commenter

      Liberator

      Location

      SEQLD

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 12:55PM











    • The AllOrds has rarely done well in August, 9/10 +5.5%, 10/11 -1.5%, 11/12 -2.9%, 12/13 +1.3%, 13/14 so far -0.2%.
      If you graph the last 4 years on the same chart you will see a clear trend in each of those years, up in July then trending down to a common low point in mid to late August before slowly trending up in September of an average 1.2%.

      Commenter

      mitch of ACT

      Location

      Date and time

      August 07, 2013, 1:43PM














Comments are now closed

Advertisement













Source Article from http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-stocks-nosedive-20130807-2re79.html

Previous post:

Next post: